I got it on my last BM run. After I finished the instance, I went to test it and in about 30 mins I never seen it to proc. I started to melee the mobs and I got it to proc twice. I know some hunter swear by this trinket, but too me it does not look like it is hunter’s trinket at all. BTW – my crit rate is a little over 29% so I should be seeing it proc quit often. Can some hunter please verify if this trinket proc’s on range or melee only. – if it is melee only, I guess I will be dumping it quicker then I got it.
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stonhinge
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Salina, KS
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It's not melee only, from everything I've seen and read. It does seem to have an internal 45 second cooldown. Best way to test for you would be to either pop over to Blasted lands, or head to Dr. Boom with a fresh load of (cheapest you can find) ammo. Get something like ProcWatch to count procs and got to town on him.
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Victory
join:2005-11-11
Pawcatuck, CT
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Go to WoW Armory and check out Orgdone on Gryemane.
I have had it for a long time. It has a "wierd" proc rate but when it does I do massive damage. Everyone in the raid knows when both my trinkets kick in. Then if I happen to have "Worgen" kick in. :P
I haven't found anything I want to replace it with yet.
Just got the shoulders last night.
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Clipper
join:2002-05-23
Stoney Creek, ON
Great for a hunter. Initially it had a bug where it didn't proc for Ranged, but that was fixed a while ago.
I'm using it still in Hyjal BT. I would have replaced with Dragonspine Trophy or Tsunami Talisman, but we've only had 1 of each drop for us, ever.
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Omega
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Lakewood, OH
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It's awesome for a hunter, procs all the time.
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hsindogg
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Baltimore, MD
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It's awesome for a hunter, especially for a BM hunter with a high crit percentage.
BM hunters effectively shoot 2 attacks in a ~2.0 second time frame (autoshot, steady shots).
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Forlin
join:2007-11-21
Anchorage, AK
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Only the Abacus of Violent Odds is better for hunters. I haven't found anything that can replace mine, unless that dragonspine thingy from Gruul actually drops one of these years.
Anything to do with speed, haste, time will produce far better dps than any AP trinket. I would keep my Abacus even if the Dragonspine thing did drop - and just chuck out my Bloodlust Brooch.
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Clipper
join:2002-05-23
Stoney Creek, ONedit:
January 9th, @11:50AM
I've had the abacus a long time and I don't use it. Hourglass and Brooch is what I use until I can get my ashtongue trinket, tsunami, beserker's call, or DST.
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Forlin
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Anchorage, AK reply to mlody
Abacus of Violent Odds is far better than the Bloodlust Brooch. It only lasts half as long, but it gives me more than 3 times the increase in DPS that the Bloodlust will. I definitely drop the Bloodlust in favour of the Abacus if I'm doing Arena.
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Clipper
join:2002-05-23
Stoney Creek, ON
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January 9th, @01:03PM
Haste increases your DPS, but doesn't increase the amount of damage you do.
Abacus is not far better.
EDIT: I should qualify this statement as applying to PvE. I hate PvP with a passion and only do it when I'm extremely bored or have to for a piece of gear I want for PvE.
Abacus is certianly better for PvP where burst damage is great.
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bored_in_nh
join:2003-01-04
Stamping Ground, KY
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hourglass is a great hunter trinket. I use it in PvP. I use the one from Skyguard rep whatever that's called in PvP and raiding. Equip it adds I think 60 crit, and when it procs, which is a 50% rate (no joke) it adds 250 RAP. For raiding I use the one from Zangarmarsh PvP. I forget what it's called, but it procs a buttload. Adds 48 RAP and when it procs it either heals me for ~180 or gives me ~180 mana. Most of the time it does the mana, which is good for what ... 30 arcane shots? That's awesome in a long boss fight.
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mlody
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Des Plaines, IL
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I appreciate all the answers, but my problem is the damn thing does not proc at all for me when I use range attacks. Can someone with the trinket go out and tell me how many times it proc’ed for you in 10 mins during regular mob faming? I am aware of a hidden cooldown (about 45sec) so I know that I should not expect this thing to proc too frequently, but how can this be a good trinket if it only proc’s so rarely (some people on thotbott say it has 10% proc chance so that means I be lucky to see it proc once every what – 5-10min? Am I missing something here?)
BTW, I got this trinket after 2.3.2 patch, so perhaps something got screw up in the patch, so please test this trinket and let me know some rough numbers on how often it procs.
At this moment, I am keeping my sky guard trinket (gives more crit) plus it proc’s almost every other kill and lasts for 30 sec so it is definitely better for me for farming/trash in instances then the hourglass which I only seen to proc 1-2 times when I meleed for 5+ mins.
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Forlin
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Anchorage, AK
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said by Clipper See Profile :
Haste increases your DPS, but doesn't increase the amount of damage you do.
Abacus is not far better.
EDIT: I should qualify this statement as applying to PvE. I hate PvP with a passion and only do it when I'm extremely bored or have to for a piece of gear I want for PvE.
Abacus is certianly better for PvP where burst damage is great.
Sorry but I don't agree, the Abacus is awesome for PVE - I regularly out-DPS the rest of my guild in all our raids, whether in SSC or Kara.
Increasing your DPS means you are doing more damage in a shorter space of time, which when you're talking about needing to destroy adds fast so you can keep within 10 minute enrage timers is very important.
As most 25 man raids involve getting bosses down within a time limit, I would think increasing your DPS is the single most important thing you can do.
As a hunter it's pretty unlikely you'll do more than some occasional CC, so you should be aiming to be the best DPS your raid has - because you have the best tools for mitigating your threat. It's almost cheating, because you have the best "I got no threat" button in the game, as well as being the only class that can lend your threat to someone that needs it every couple minutes.
But having said all that, what matters most is your style of play. What might be the best trinket for me, doesn't necessarily equate to the best trinket for you - so what I should be saying is the Abacus is a far better trinket for ME. For you it might be the other way round.
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Clipper
join:2002-05-23
Stoney Creek, ON
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January 9th, @02:51PM
Abacus increases your Damage Per Second, that's it. Not your total damage output.
It does NOT increase the amount of damage you can do.
And it really irks me when people say 'i regularly out-dps the rest of my guild' blah blah.. because you can't compare rogue A with outfit Z against hunter B with outfit Y and say I top the damage meters, so that means it's the best. It's a stupid argument and could just as easily mean you're raiders are bad and you are less bad. You're much better off comparing your actual WWS reported DPS & damage output with other hunters in similar gear, or with yourself on the same fight with different trinkets.
Abacus is a decent PvE item, but Haste is by far one of the lowest stats in terms of improving your ranking on the damage meters.
Haste will NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER allow you to do more damage. All haste does is allow you to do the damage you can already do in a shorter amount of time. Consequently, it also means you'll burn through your mana pool faster. Hunter's have enough trouble with mana as it is that burning through it faster isn't the smartest idea.
Assume your mana pool lasts you 1 minute(for ease of math) of sustained shot rotations and you can do 50,000 damage in that time frame. If you use abacus to give yourself 15% more attack speed, all it does is allow you to 50,000 damage in 50 seconds instead. Sure you do it faster, but what good is that if your mana pool can't sustain it?
As far as going faster to avoid the enrage timers... I can't remember the last time my guild had that problem since possibly Sartura in AQ40.
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bored_in_nh
join:2003-01-04
Stamping Ground, KY let's say you normally do 800 damage per second. With haste, it takes you .90 seconds to do 800 damage, then the .10 second you add your normal damage. Doesn't that equate to more damage overall? The 800 plus 80 for 880 damage that second?
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Clipper
join:2002-05-23
Stoney Creek, ON
That's precisely what I said, your Damage Per Second goes up, but your overall damage output remains the same. This is the same for all mana users. Haste does not increase the amount of damage you do. It simply lowers the time it takes you to do the damage you already are capable of.
Rogue's on the other hand, they use focus which is constantly regenerating. It will help a rogue alot. Same with Warriors.
I'm not saying that the abacus is a bad trinket, but don't fall under the illusion that haste increases your damage, because it doesn't.
In PvP, haste is a great stat.
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kc0bbq
join:2001-03-22
Cottage Grove, MN
No fight lasts infinitely long. The faster I hit the more mana I get back from pally gimmicks or whatever.
Mana is not a problem for a hunter if you are properly stocked with consumables.
Even if I run low on mana and can't get any I can still drop my rotation to match a BM spec hunter's rotation for an infinite amount of time, anyway, with as good as Aspect of Viper is now. Hunters are not an on/off switch. You get gimped a little when you get low on mana, but you're never OOM. Viper means +200 MP5 until the pot cooldown is up, for me, raid buffed, bringing my mp5 high enough to auto-steady shot forever with enough left over to scorpid sting every 20 seconds.
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bored_in_nh
join:2003-01-04
Stamping Ground, KY
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if I ever post from home, I'll link my stats. My shot rotation as BM spec is scorpid - auto - arcane - auto- steady - auto - steady - auto. I hit KC when it procs, and start over when the scorpid debuf wears off. Never have run out of mana, and never have run with viper on. I always have hawk on. I do have a buttload of MP5 gear, and usually drink an "elixir of maddening never run out of mana like a damn mage" or whatever it's called. It's purply orange and our GM makes em. That's all I know. Start of each raid, she gives me 3 elixirs of major agi, and 3 of those others. On real long fights like prince or nightbane I'll take one or perhaps 2 super mana pots but that's it.
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Clipper
join:2002-05-23
Stoney Creek, ON
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January 9th, @04:42PM
As I said, T4 (not necessarily the set, but T4 instance drops) hunter gear has lots of mp5 and int. I never had mana issues until we started pushing TK, Hyjal & BT. My mana pool has dropped and so has the mp5 gear. I used to sit around 9.5k mana and mp5 on most of my gear. Now mp5 is only on a few pieces remaining from KZ and most of my new gear doesn't even have int on it. My mana pool has dropped to around 7.8. My AP & crit have increased dramatically however.
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kywirelessgu
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Also another point to consider with haste is clipping your autoshots. If you have imp. aspect of the hawk or hit your rapid fire as well as a haste trinket you are getting very close to being under 1.5 attack speed. Under 1.5 and you can't weave in your steady shots without clipping the autoshots, actually lowering your dps.
I am using hourglass and dragonspine. I had to spec out of imp. aspect of the hawk though because if it procced while I had rapid fire up or while my dragonspine was procced I just start clipping shots. Not worth it in my opinion.
Definatly gotta be careful how much haste you stack as a hunter, moreso as BM.